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#1 Post by Ant »

Hinted at this on Tiger2's Davros thread, but should really start my own.

So the plan is to do a bunch of Daleks in their different liveries throughout the years for our Dr Who 60th SIG display at the IPMS this year in November. Original plan was "every" version, until I realised just how many there were, so now we're going for "major designs" (and will probably end up as "one or two" at this rate!).

The problem with most Dalek kits is they are a b*gger to build and paint - especially the skirt section, so I decided to have a go at doing my own design specifically designed to simplify the process. I started off with the plans from Project Dalek and started building a full-sized version in CAD, but broken down into components the way I wanted. They can then be printed out at what ever size I want by scaling the exported STLs.

First up was the skirt - this was created as one piece without the balls, so there's no fiddly assembly and no fiddly masking. The balls are modelled as strips for each section that are stuck in from the inside - again, making painting simple with no masking!

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Test print at 1/16th scale with one strip of balls

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Slap on some paint

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Rest of the ball strips printed & painted

The next fiddly bits are the collars around the shoulders. I can remember struggling with bits of cut out styrene sheet trying to fit them on both the Comet and Sevans Dalek kits in the past, so these have been modelled as single pieces with the mounting blocks in place - these hold the collars slightly away from the shoulder section. They slide exactly into place over the shoulder. They came out a bit thin at this scale but I've not broken them yet!

I'm not yet sure how to do the mesh around the shoulder - I think that's doing to be too fiddly to model and may have to use some ally mesh - although the go-to car body filler mesh used on the other models is probably too coarse at this scale.

The neck piece has an engraved pattern to simulate the wire mesh of the real Dalek. A bit of drybrushing should pick this out nicely. The 3 neck rings are modelled with their vertical support rods as a single piece which then drops down into place over the neck.

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Shoulder and neck components

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And assembled...

And that's as far as I've got. I have modelled the head, eye and arms, but still need to come up with a system to allow then to be attached whilst remaining movable.
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:popcorn: looking forward to following this thread. 🤩
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Yes. This is quite interesting.
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As I've said over at Tiger2's Davros thread, this looks to be a substantial improvement on some previous kits. I'll be watching it with interest.
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#5 Post by Tiger2 »

Wow Ant, I am always amazed (and rather envious) at your precision with this technology, what's the prospect of printing this to something like 1/8th scale or larger?
Really looking forward to seeing a finished item with all the arms etc on.

I'm very close to finishing Davros, just his head cage and back rest to complete, but taking longer as I'm building both items from scratch as he kit parts are just too clumsy!

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#6 Post by Heavy Metal Spike »

Clever idea, and worth the dedication & time to learn how to do this.

Well-done.

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Tiger2 wrote: September 1st, 2023, 8:53 pm what's the prospect of printing this to something like 1/8th scale or larger?
Really looking forward to seeing a finished item with all the arms etc on.
I think an 1/8th scale skirt would still fit on my Saturn build plate, bigger than that may require a bigger printer, or necessitate breaking it down into parts which I specifically did not want to do for this project. I'm working through at 1/16th to save time/ resin while ironing out the kinks and probably cos I just won't have any space for larger ones. However at 1/16th, the arms & eye are going to be quite delicate, and I'm currently exploring options to make them removable for transport...
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Quick print of the head & arms- I didn't do a great job of supporting these and they came out a bit bent - also the hollow end of the gun is just way too thin at this size and has collapsed so need to rework that. The plan is to add wires for the gun cage cos this would also be too fragile if printed at this size.
I expected the disks on the eye stalk to also not come out because they are paper thin but they did! Although cleaning up the support nubs is going to be hard! I also made the mistake of adding a pin for rotation of the eye onto the back bit - which would then not fit through the slot in the dome. Doh! So that's cut off for now.

I can fit up to a 1/8th skirt on the build plate, but I may try at 1/12th as a compromise as 16th is too fiddly...


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Ant wrote: September 5th, 2023, 3:49 pm Quick print of the head & arms- I didn't do a great job of supporting these and they came out a bit bent - also the hollow end of the gun is just way too thin at this size and has collapsed so need to rework that. The plan is to add wires for the gun cage cos this would also be too fragile if printed at this size.
I expected the disks on the eye stalk to also not come out because they are paper thin but they did! Although cleaning up the support nubs is going to be hard! I also made the mistake of adding a pin for rotation of the eye onto the back bit - which would then not fit through the slot in the dome. Doh! So that's cut off for now.

I can fit up to a 1/8th skirt on the build plate, but I may try at 1/12th as a compromise as 16th is too fiddly...

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Quick progress shot. Tweaked the sizes slightly on the arms and eye, but the gun is still too small at this scale to make a wire cage..


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looking good
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#12 Post by Squidy53 »

This is looking really nice Ant. I'm glad you chose the Mk.1 version. Fit and detail look good, and it will be a breeze to build. Your solutions for the skirt and hemispheres will make this an attractive purchase to prospective buyers.

I would definitely buy this kit at 1/12th, though it would be nice to have a 1/8th to go with my Comet version. Two of yours and I've got a squad. :)

One comment and very personal. The manipulator arm is fully extended. I've always thought this looks a bit odd and flimsy and is better retracted. I understand the builder has the choice of shortening it themselves, which is what I would do.

Look forward to seeing more of your progress.
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Excellent work
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Thanks all - this is very much a personal project and won't be a kit sadly. The Terry Nation Estate is notoriously protective of their little pepper pots and I won't be poking that bear.

The plan is to do one in every major colour scheme throughout the classic years, but this will involve moving to the slatted version (which is actually my favourite) which means dealing with the mesh somehow. I found a list of _every_ colour scheme and it runs to 44! I'll probably go for 5-10, time permitting.

Interesting comment on the manipulator arm Squidy - it's actually only about half extended - this variant had 3 telescoping tubes and I've only done one and a half but it already does look (and is) flimsy. If it were bigger, I'd leave them telescopic, but again too small at this scale.
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Quick shot of a 1/12th print. Definitely a more manageable size, and it will be possible to build the gun cage from brass wire at this size.

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A good way to spend your birthday, printing Daleks - happy birthday :D
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Not a kit - d*mn. The 1/12 looks good and I'll continuing watching this project of yours with interest.
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Falling way behind plan, but a small bit of progress. I think I have resolved all the design issues now so should be able to start mass production soon...

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Ant wrote: October 14th, 2023, 8:38 amFalling way behind plan, but a small bit of progress. I think I have resolved all the design issues now so should be able to start mass production soon . . .

Looking great!


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